tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post3968402642968301136..comments2023-07-06T08:55:09.782-07:00Comments on Your Genetic Genealogist: Comparing Admixture Test Results Across Companies (otherwise known as "ethnic" breakdowns): FTDNA, AncestryDNA, 23andMe and Geno 2.0 - My ReviewYour Genetic Genealogisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14696248341534125135noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-3987992511747266602017-09-21T17:16:00.644-07:002017-09-21T17:16:00.644-07:00i have same T1a1
i have same T1a1<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05239860265446486079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-20145885151499580742016-12-26T21:30:03.133-08:002016-12-26T21:30:03.133-08:00No, I do not. I have been thinking about doing one...No, I do not. I have been thinking about doing one, but haven't had time. Obviously, anyone who reads the post needs to take into account the date on it. AncestryDNA was indeed offered in 2012. Otherwise, they would not have been included here with screen shots. I was an early beta tester, but by the time of this post, they were testing lots of members. With that said, my preferences and opinions that I laid out in this post have not changed much in the ensuing 4 years. I still find 23andMe to be the most accurate and informative for admixture. Next would be AncestryDNA because they have improved a lot over the years, but are still not as informative due to the lack of the chromosome view offered by only 23andMe. I continue to have issues with FTDNA's admixture, now called MyOrigins and I have not tested on the new Genographic platform. Your Genetic Genealogisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14696248341534125135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-59492377134868130222016-12-26T20:51:42.342-08:002016-12-26T20:51:42.342-08:00How accurate is your original post considering it&...How accurate is your original post considering it's well over 4 years old? For instance, AncestryDNA autosomal wasn't even offered back then. Also, the Genographic Project has radically changed since then, and their results are more complex. Do you have an updated comparison post?Trishymousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10448388630980259659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-3835742169844318852016-04-28T23:59:37.516-07:002016-04-28T23:59:37.516-07:00Thank you for your perspective, Margareta. Finnish...Thank you for your perspective, Margareta. Finnish DNA is not very similar to that of their Scandinavian neighbors which demonstrates that there was not much intermarriage between them over the last few hundred years. It doesn't make much sense to me as to why this would be, but that is what the DNA is telling us. Maybe your region is different than where my ancestors came from in that regard. Thank you. Your Genetic Genealogisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14696248341534125135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-70436157333563663622016-03-31T02:27:23.370-07:002016-03-31T02:27:23.370-07:00Hi there :-)
which service do you think might be b...Hi there :-)<br />which service do you think might be best if I am trying to trace Sephardi Jewish ancestry? Oral history in my family is fleeing Spain and Portugal due to the Inquisition. <br />many thanks, RivkaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465150510405846662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-85133954905929410102016-03-08T08:19:55.051-08:002016-03-08T08:19:55.051-08:00Hi!
Coming a bit late into the diskussion... you t...Hi!<br />Coming a bit late into the diskussion... you talk as if finns, saamis and Scandinavians were living on different planets. I live in the Botnia Bay area and are happy to inform you that all groups here have live side by side för many, many generations and there were no laws against intermarriges. A lot of movements and new settlements all over the wast area, all groups represented and coming together . So if there is a blend in your "pure" heritage, rejoice, your ancestors were not to inbred to survive. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10457129774945298705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-40378129475245567172015-12-13T07:54:56.891-08:002015-12-13T07:54:56.891-08:00Firstly, I would like to thank you for your most c...Firstly, I would like to thank you for your most current reviews of the various DNA packages available ( at a reasonable cost I might add). I read in this blog based on your critique of the NatGeo testing that you feel that Spainish Portuguese aspects of the test did not accurately reflect your DNA model. Interestingly, in the other tests you do have British Irish percentages which for whatever reason assumes to group them together and that based on my own laypersons experience is a fault in that presentation of the results. The NatGeo testing presentation seems to take into consideration human migration patterns. The Irish aspect of your genealogical record would in fact have a Portuguese Spainish component in it as research based on human migration and cultural history shows that the Celtic component is partly sourced from the northern regions of the Iberian peninsula. Did you know there is town/soccer club known as Celta Vigo? That isn't coincidence, but a historical sliver of that Iberian peninsula area's Celtic origins. There are supposedly even remnants of that ancient dialect in the modern local Spainish/basque. I think the key flaw to all this DNA ancestry testing lies in the various approaches in interpretation. Refinement of those interpretations should include a more through synthesis based on a combination of the genetic and most current historical research models from the anthropological current. Separation of the percentages based on ethnicity would also go a long way to better tell the DNA story. From what I have seen based on your analysis of some of these tests, the major flaw is the presentation of the results and not the results themselves.TheArtistDonaldBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02873549240688010361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-6050397163783438892015-11-13T16:42:41.774-08:002015-11-13T16:42:41.774-08:00If you have no other known Finnish ancestor, then ...If you have no other known Finnish ancestor, then I would say your results have confirmed this oral history. Are we cousins? ;-)Your Genetic Genealogisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14696248341534125135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-44266944561611221642015-11-13T16:36:41.903-08:002015-11-13T16:36:41.903-08:00Alright. In AncestryDNA my percentage for Finnish/...Alright. In AncestryDNA my percentage for Finnish/Northwest Russian is 19%. In FTDNA, using the AncestryDNA raw data file, it's 9%. A great grandmother of mine is supposed to have been from Finland, possibly Sweden. The records are inconsistent and confusing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099697980516136948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-81550360754250062552015-11-13T15:25:42.145-08:002015-11-13T15:25:42.145-08:00I find that 23andMe is actually the most accurate ...I find that 23andMe is actually the most accurate for Finnish DNA. FTDNA is next best in my experience Finnish. AncestryDNA includes some Russian reference samples in the Finnish/Northwest Russian panel which, in my opinion, throws it off a bit. Your Genetic Genealogisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14696248341534125135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-7545094834518384882015-11-13T15:10:30.716-08:002015-11-13T15:10:30.716-08:00Looks like you're wrong. They do tend to carry...Looks like you're wrong. They do tend to carry small amounts that are real. They were both enslaved together for a period of historyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-19699637540914534472015-10-22T22:11:45.016-07:002015-10-22T22:11:45.016-07:00Who is currently more accurate when it comes to Fi...Who is currently more accurate when it comes to Finnish ancestry, Ancestry or Family Tree DNA?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099697980516136948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-70300667409021845012015-05-08T18:07:11.329-07:002015-05-08T18:07:11.329-07:00CeCe, thanks very much for your prompt response ev...CeCe, thanks very much for your prompt response even though, I posted on your outdated blog. I will try the two sources you mentioned. <br /><br />Thanks again. Keep up the good workCurioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818569329918130116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-58145664808895174452015-05-08T17:15:34.231-07:002015-05-08T17:15:34.231-07:00Hi Curious,
Thank you. This post is somewhat outda...Hi Curious,<br />Thank you. This post is somewhat outdated, so I am glad you asked. I actually have a fair amount of experience with South Asian/Indian testers and have found that 23andMe has offered the most helpful results for that population group in my research. That said, none of the companies do a great job with Asian populations, so you may not get the answers you seek. It is also important to note that Family Tree DNA does have an India DNA Project, so that might be of interest to you as well. Best of luck with your research! Please check back and let me know how it goes after you test.Your Genetic Genealogisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14696248341534125135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-45397530944670142332015-05-08T17:12:39.630-07:002015-05-08T17:12:39.630-07:00CeCe, excellent blog and a fantastic review. Both...CeCe, excellent blog and a fantastic review. Both my parents were born in South Asia. I am very curious to know about my genealogy. Which one of these laboratories you reviewed here is capable of analyzing South Asian genealogical make up? Appreciate your help on this. ThanksCurioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818569329918130116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-12949664314833239092015-05-08T17:09:24.007-07:002015-05-08T17:09:24.007-07:00CeCe great blog and a fantastic review on various ...CeCe great blog and a fantastic review on various testing laboratories. I am very curious about knowing my ancestry. Both my parents were from South Asia. I am wondering which one of these testing laboratories are well equipped to unlock the genetic make up of South Asian populations. Appreciate any recommendations you can give me. ThanksCurioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818569329918130116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-51850040552850578852015-03-30T12:51:09.232-07:002015-03-30T12:51:09.232-07:00Oops that last sentence had "Anonymous or Ann...Oops that last sentence had "Anonymous or Anna" somehow come out as "Anonymouse of Anna".<br /><br />Anyway, a third suggestion is that the 2% results might often be nothing, just noise. <br /><br />Geno 2.0 seems to think they are solid down to the 2% level though.<br /><br />Going back to the original hypothesis, that the 2% Oceanian signal is both recent and real:<br /><br />Interestingly, I just found a case where the director of Geno 2.0 discussed a mystery 2% Oceanian component with none other than Robert Ballard himself. He took it seriously and they guessed that it might have traced to a six generations prior mingling and noted that he had some Dutch relatives and all of the Dutch activity in the Melanesian region in the 1700s.<br /><br />So perhaps these signals are recent and real?<br /><br />And thinking about it more, sure we know the direct paternal line on my grandmother's side going way back, but so what? It's not like the 2% Oceania came from the mtDNA part of the test and, although I need to verify, I think we like only know about 4 of the 48 slots on my grandmothers side in the 5th and 6th generation era, i.e. not much really. (Also, Tahitians have a somewhat different origin than Melanesians so, just guessing, they might have come up as say 40-50% Oceanian per Geno 2.0 instead of 80-100% (and with a higher Asian component?) so you could perhaps get the 2% from 5 gens back Tahitian).<br /><br />Even among those who say they have a pretty detailed knowledge going back, I wonder if they really have all of the 64 and 32 slots of the direct 5th and 6th generations back filled in or maybe it's really only a half or even a quarter?<br /><br />It would also be interesting to know the statistics for how many with largely European heritage ended up testing to 2% type values for Oceanian (or Native American). My vague impression is that it's almost feeling like there might be suspiciously many, especially since only a small fraction of people have been tested and how relatively considerably rare this whole scenario I'd imagine should be, but I really don't have too much to base it on. I think I'll contact Geno 2.0 and inquire. It might make for an interesting quick little study for them.<br />wombathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16198050755646956399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-90084159253983287182015-03-29T19:14:56.901-07:002015-03-29T19:14:56.901-07:00part 2:
The bizarre:
Very bizarre is that the auto...part 2:<br />The bizarre:<br />Very bizarre is that the autosomal Geno 2.0 test gave my mom 2% Oceania (the rest of the percentages match closest to their Dutch population sample (which might perhaps be similar to what one from Latvia would be too?) Dutch is: 53% Northern European/30%Mediterranean/16%Southwest Asian; hers is: 51% Northern European/29%Mediterranean/17%Southwest Asian/2%Oceanian)! <br /><br />Not sure if the 2% component is supposed to imply some pretty wild tale where about 6 generations back a sailor on one of the early European explorations to say Tahiti (I could be wrong, but I believe that New Guineans had less favorable thoughts to outsiders at first and thus less likely early mixing???? whereas supposedly Tahitians were quite open??? so I mention Tahiti instead of New Guinea or other islands) married a pure Tahitian and then they both returned, or at the least, one of their children returned to Europe??<br /><br />That sounds both pretty darn cool and also a bit hard to believe since in this case it would have had to have happened so early on and with a very quick return back to Europe. It might be a bit easier to believe if it could have occurred more recently (but that would seem to conflict with likely family history or % Oceanian).<br /><br />I mean I do something like that did happen a very, very few times early on, but only a very, very, very few times, basically to the vanishing point.<br /><br />Napolean did invade the Baltic area and such I believe and I also believe some of his mean stayed behind and some of his soldiers might have been on South Pacific expeditions. The Dutch did hit up the New Guinea area very early on and one last name on the family tree could be Dutch (or German or Swedish). The English hit up Tahiti early on.<br /><br />I don't know the whole thing sounds both really cool and maybe far-fetched.<br /><br />Anyway I had not other explanation so that is what I was guessing at, as wild as it sounded, a few days ago when I heard the results.<br /><br />But I guess there is the other option:<br />Perhaps the Geno 2.0 signals they test for Oceania might not actually have ended up all being strictly what they thought. Perhaps not all signals they look for are ones that came up only after their isolation, but instead a few markers they use for Oceania might actually be markers for some very ancient component that got mixed away and lost for the most part but well retained in Oceania and, for one odd reason or another, also got also retained in certain Baltic/Finnish/(and other?) sub-populations where there was some very long and extremely insular line going way back?<br /><br />Does anyone have any up to date thoughts? Is the latter theory considered likely now or something along it's lines? <br /><br />Also I spotted on one of those ancient human tests using one of the public domain testing admix tools where they also also tested tons of others from many countries that it seemed like people of heritage from a decent number of countries actually registered a bit of Oceania using whatever components they used to signify Oceania. Other than for Malaysians and near Malaysians (and Oceanians themselves) it seemed like most of the components were likely super small maybe .5% and less, although it was hard to tell since no hard #s just pixel graphs, some looked like they could be 1%, not sure any looked like 1.5-2%, but it was really hard to tell, maybe?<br /><br />Too bad we can't get results from grandparents, if the results popped up to 4-6% for one then I'd think that would imply the explorer theory! If it stayed 2% at most then I guess it would hint more at something along the latter explanations offered?<br /><br />Anonymouse of Anna, do you have any results from your parents or grandparents?<br />wombathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16198050755646956399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-76532545638843268012015-03-29T19:14:42.780-07:002015-03-29T19:14:42.780-07:00part 1:
I was wondering if anyone has any updated ...part 1:<br />I was wondering if anyone has any updated thoughts on this?<br /><br />My mom, of Latvian heritage (some parts are probably extremely long and deeply rooted in Latvia, other parts probably eventually go to Sweden/Germany/Netherlands/?), had a shocking 2% Oceanian component show up too.<br /><br />Some basics:<br />my mom's Geno 2.0 gave 2.1% Neanderthal and 3.0% Denisovan<br />(current avgs they list as 2.1% and 2.1%)<br /><br />(Latvian heritage; thought to perhaps be considerably deep on grandfather's lines back (although the family trees is barely known at all on this side, not past his parents, but there was always talk for some reason of deep and long pure Latvian roots on his side); going back to nearly the late 1600s on one side of my grandmother's although the last name on that side doesn't sound pure Latvian but just and "s" added to end of last name likely heading back to Swedish (or perhaps German or Dutch) roots; probably quickly back to Germany on the other side of my grandmother; other than for the one trace way back the rest isn't really known past my great grandparents))<br /><br />k1a4a1 haplotype mitochondrial DNA<br /><br />wombathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16198050755646956399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-49009196914788263162014-11-02T20:26:09.140-08:002014-11-02T20:26:09.140-08:00If results are puzzling, be sure to look at histor...If results are puzzling, be sure to look at history. I have always thought I was half Norwegian. Results show lots of cousins in Finland. As far as I knew, there were no Finns in my background - ever. But, it turns out that HISTORY shows that when Sweden ruled over Finland, it moved many Finns to border of Sweden and Norway to clear the forests. And guess what. The main city to which they moved was the exact same city my gre gre great grandparents were from. I learned that people even spoke Finnish there. So when those people came to US and said what country they were from, they naturally would say they were Norwegians because that is where their families had lived and intermarried for generations. DNA tells more of the history. My point being that just because your ancestors told you they were from a particular country, there may be more to the story. I also have seen Norwegians who wrote that they were Swedish in some census forms...because when THEY left, Sweden controlled Norway. So they lived in what later would become a Norwegian city.<br />Think of the Germans who were invited to settle in Russia by Catherine the Great. They might tell their grandkids that they were Russian but they, in fact, belonged to a special isolated group of people called "Germans from Russia." Populations migrated all over and that is what makes this all so much fun.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16571493533103596061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-40088213130639399202014-10-08T09:07:01.501-07:002014-10-08T09:07:01.501-07:00Thanks Andrew.
I know that the Ashkenazi Jewish ...Thanks Andrew. <br /><br />I know that the Ashkenazi Jewish prediction is correct because I have so many Jewish DNA cousins (who I share DNA with on my 7th chromosome). I have been able to map this segment of DNA back to my paternal great grandparents Blanche Purdy and Willard Moore so far. I don't know how far back the Jewish ancestor is. My sister's DNA is predicted to be over 1% Jewish. When you get down to those very small amounts it could come from anywhere between a 3rd great grandparent out to a 10th or maybe even further back. <br /><br />Thanks for your comment!Your Genetic Genealogisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14696248341534125135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-55422203451677170782014-10-08T08:50:20.074-07:002014-10-08T08:50:20.074-07:00This is a wonderful blog! I am wondering how you k...This is a wonderful blog! I am wondering how you knew you have some Ashkenazic ancestry. The .4 percent figure seems so small! How many people/generations does that represent?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05172915822274118028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-23648589141933602272014-09-10T16:51:47.510-07:002014-09-10T16:51:47.510-07:00I love your blog, CeCe. It's been enlightenin...I love your blog, CeCe. It's been enlightening. I got Ancestry DNA tests for my husband and me earlier in the year. I'm preparing to order a test for my ½ sister for her birthday and decided to do some research on different DNA companies. It's very confusing but it sounds as if most people are saying 23 & Me is the best/most reliable. Most of the comments on this blog are from 2012 and 2013, have there been any changes since that time that would change your mind about recommending 23 & Me?Kimonowomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00043605705305663199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-12031736060832918362014-09-10T16:46:35.634-07:002014-09-10T16:46:35.634-07:00I love your blog, CeCe. I had a DNA test done ear...I love your blog, CeCe. I had a DNA test done earlier in the year through Ancestry. Didn't do much research about different DNA companies at that time. Now, I'm getting ready to order a test for my ½ sister and am thinking, after reading your and some other blogs, that perhaps 23 & Me is the way to go. And I'll order one for myself as well, just to compare. Has anything happened in the past year (since most of the activity on this blog) that would change my mind about ordering a 23 & Me test?Kimonowomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00043605705305663199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4773058005679938889.post-11642251343645259292013-11-21T09:13:12.352-08:002013-11-21T09:13:12.352-08:00Look here:
http://eurogenes.blogspot.fi/2013/11/f...Look here: <br />http://eurogenes.blogspot.fi/2013/11/first-genome-of-upper-paleolithic-human.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14151029464746377306noreply@blogger.com